ZiaNitori @ZiaNitori@masto.anarch.cc

@destroy @exiliaex i have many reasons to believe my interpretation of sense data is different than other peoples given that interpreting sense data is not as simple as the neurons associated with your eye producing a color. the totality of your experience is riddled with association and reference to a world that is entirely your own. it is with abstractions that you make about the world based on facts produced in academia that you reduce all of this to the same experience, when if i am to interpret the behavior of other creatures we're all living radically different realities. normative pressures in society push people to act like they all experience the world in the same way when it just covers up difference and then we assume all nonhuman animal life to be something radically different that we ignore. also you bring up "evidence" like that's a coherent concept in this kind of discussion, i think you should think more about epistemology

@destroy @exiliaex i really dont know how the voice of others makes your reality more real when you're the one interpreting their voices and making your reality of them. it's not a coherent position it's just reflexive deference

@destroy @exiliaex what does having an experience i will later update my understanding of have to do with corresponding with others?

clearing the rest of the garden today and getting stuff planted, yesterday was rainy so we couldnt get to it. hoping the ants are gone lol

@exiliaex @destroy ok but before deleuze i gotta read nietzche and before that i'm doing a bible reading group lmao

@destroy @exiliaex my experience does not require correspondence to validate. correspondence still requires interpretation, and a singular argument with an ego blinded or hive minded person on twitter will show you the issues with how people insulate their realities, it's impossible to really know that you're not just finding a way to look into a mirror when you look at another. correspondence is how you make a show of force by invoking imagined others that believe in your reality. it's a show of procedure, it's a formality of certification, it's when the rental place has you to look over a piece of equipment you're seeing for the first time and asks you if you see anything wrong with it before you sign. it's a thing to show to other people to convince them of something because people find other people convincing because people are reflexively conformist.

@destroy @exiliaex people use solipsism to describe anything they find absurd and i've yet to see what's absurd about being critical of someone trying to make a general claim about something "we" both experience especially when we presumably can experience radically different realities. the way you frame it too as the medium through which beings can affect each other also just sounds way to similar to reality being defined via relations to other beings which just screams christian to me cause those mfers think you can come to know gods world through correspondence with others

@destroy @exiliaex i have an experience of something that contains something called you that is trying to tell me we experience something in common

@destroy @exiliaex who's we?

gonna have to start early to get the garden cleared, i got some progress earlier in the day but after lunch alie and i hit a bunch of fire ants that made their home in a plastic pot and they were running around the area mad cause i moved the pot out so that meant we had to stop. they should be gone in the morning but we're managing to get the grapes and other plants uncovered.

@exiliaex what the fuck is a reality that's some christian shit

they eat brambles but not all the time and there's other things they'll sometimes leave alone but idk how that works. the hill drops off and gets flat like the rest of the pasture around there around where the last three sprinkler lines in the westernmost part of the pasture are and i've been thinking it might be cool to try to get an orchard going all along those sprinkler lines. in addition to tree covers or whatever we use to get them started it might be cool to pile around woody debris and then sow in some tougher vining or woody plants that the cows wont totally destroy that can keep back the grass from the base of the trees and in general contribute in better more fungally dominated soils around the tree. the wooded area in the north east is quite well shaded but because it doesnt get a ton of water as it's the highest point of the property and the cows also like to hang out in there the ground is basically barren and i want to figure out if it's a good idea to do something about that. i'd definitely like to get a pond going up in the middle of the east side of the pasture and that's not terribly far from that wooded area so maybe that on it's own could help and it's possible getting more trees/clearing brambles out of the other shaded areas will make it so there's less suppression of growing things from the cows in that spot. another place for a pond is in the area above where the pasture extends a ways into the yard. it's quite dry up there and a lot of dirt from excavating the pond was brought up there so it's not being used for much else. probably a project for then they turn the water back on

between the compost and the first set of grapes mentioned is an area where i'm thinking we might put a bunch of annuals , but we might even extend that to the other side of the grapes between them and the pasture and up the hill that's there esp if we can do some earthworks. to the south of the compost is an area of the lawn i'm setting aside to go long for the cows that we'll harvest probably with a scythe or something. green box in the southeast is a particularly dry part of the yard that's also pretty rocky and has some cool bushy drought/heat resistant plants there that we're looking to add to. it's above another shed/garage. in that southeast corner is also a peach tree and i'm thinking i might want to try to add a few more and maybe some other fruit trees along the southern fence line. there's a green circle by the end of the garden wall where there's a few pine trees in a circle and i think i want to expand that to be a proper circle of trees or shrubs that can provide a bit of visual cover in the middle of the yard so critters can feel safer nearer the garden. the long grass for the cows is also a way to keep more cover in the yard and i've got a few more spots i want to leave brushpiles and thickets of vining plants as well as trying to keep the southern fence as well planted as possible because there's a bit of completely overgrown area with a small stream running through it to the south of the pond. there's a bit of green on the diagonal bit of the fence to the west of the two houses where there are a number of trees growing at already and i want to get a bunch of chips down there and add more and get some understory/groundcover plants to help support them. in general joe have been trying to get a line of trees around the south and east fencelines and has a number of pines cedars and redwoods growing but there are large sections there there's a gap and i'd like to get a lot more planted and have better solutions for getting them watered by next year. the hill along the fence of the north side of the pasture is quite steep and i might try to make it a bit more stepped and have some banks running on contour to keep water up there better and possibly start planting shade tolerant trees there or something that area is shaded by some big trees and covered in brambles and i wonder if i can clean it up a bit and cultivate that area a bit better. most anything i grow there will be subject to browse from the cows but they dont eat everything,

so this is mostly for my own use so i didnt bother on making it pretty and i'm going to shit it up with a bunch of labels of sprinklers and valves in a bit anyway, but this is the general shape of the place without looking at an aerial. the driveway/vehicle paths are in gray, houses structures and fences are in black, sprinkler/irrigation lines and the pond and pool are in blue and green is to highlight areas of interest to me usually wrt growing plants. the proportions of the map are a bit off, first third of the east side is a little squished whereas the last fourth of the west side is very stretched and it's also probably too squished on the south side but it shows all the things i care about atm clearly enough so i'm not redrawing it. the house is the structure closest to the center and has a porch i wish were a little smaller coming off it to the south, there's not a fence but a wall to the south of that holds the ground level above it that gets up to 3-4 feet in places but meets ground level where it ends. this is where i've been digging up the ground and adding new soil and covering with woodchips and where we're gonna hopefully get a good amount of herbs and mushrooms from once we're set up. the structure to the north is a shed attached to another smaller house that joe's ex wifes son lives in though he's usually not around. the big fence going through the middle of the yard denotes where the pasture is at. the yard has a slope from east/northeast to west that's steep on the east side but a bit flatter in more spots on the west side. there's also a long hill in the middle of the north side of the pasture from the fence going down into a flatter part of the pasture with fewer/no trees. the northwest corner of the pasture also has a good amount of trees, mainly oaks but the section on the northside hill and the other trees that are scattered around the pasture are mostly pines. the structure in the pasture is the cowshed and there's a blue circle near it that's a valve for a movable sprinkler. the pond has a little peninsula thing that we're eventually gonna dump a bunch of compost into and probably get a bunch of trees or shrubs that like water planted in there. speaking of the compost the smaller narrower of the green boxes to the east of the pond is where we're having the compost and to the north of that is where one set of grapes are along with an irrigation line for them and you can see another set just to the west of the pond.

gotta dig out the clay under the pool in addition to clearing the vines in the garden which is gonna be quite a bit of work. like to get them both done in the next 2 days

might make a rock pile at the end of the garden wall so lizards have more habitat

@fauxlosopher yeah as long as we have a few days we should be able to get to everything

also made a little map of the place yesterday, will probably use it here occasionally to talk about what stuff i'm working on and where that is

got a bunch more dirt yesterday, just gotta clean up the vines in the garden and get chips down before phoenix gets here on tuesday so he can plant stuff right away. found a second wheelbarrow so i'm planning on having all 4 of us go out to gather manure in the pasture for the compost and it might be nice to have extra hands to clean up the path behind the pond and the area around the compost. after we clear that and another small spot it might be a good time to work on the soil near the compost area and get out the shitty weed suppression fabric. hope we can get more chips in soon so some of these areas we're working on can get a better form of weed suppression that actually builds soil

@exiliaex i'll also wanna look into what they like to eat and make more habitat for that