went to a cool community run workshop on solar panels the other day in a different part of cali when phoenix was up and i asked good questions so i got a cool portable solar charging thing. it was mostly stuff i already knew but getting clarification on some electrical stuff i forgot about from nuke school was nice. one of the guys there ended up making the point that "there's no such thing as alternative energy" and started talking about how the energy that goes into making panels and other stuff exceeds the energy you get out of them and talked about the other environmental effects from the extraction involved and it's so fucked up that i can like count on one hand the number of twitter communists whose egos allow them to comprehend that really basic fact because most of them are just authoritarian technocrats
@Remigius greenwashing about renewable energy has most people believing we just need to invest more in the good technologies instead of the bad technologies and that we dont because people are too greedy and corrupt
@ZiaNitori we just gotta uhhhhhhhhhh make nuclear plants, never mind they take like a decade to become operational and cost a lot of material (cost both the number of materials as well as the financials of it) for a resource that has to be mine (and dont' worry, it will be 100% unethically sourced)
Solar panels and wind are bad because uhhh birds I dont give a shit about but I will pretend I do die sometimes, but also let's build skyscrapers
@Remigius thank you for revolutionizing the productive forces comrade
@ZiaNitori honestly I think we should bring back circulus theory HARD
@ZiaNitori well it doesn't exceed the energy you get out from the solar panels. generally it takes somewhere between 1-4 years for there to be a break even point strictly in terms of energy
@fauxlosopher how are they measuring that energy? cause i'm not even sure how you could measure that esp when you get to the reproduction of the labourers
@ZiaNitori I always thought it was common sense. damned am I for being a true technocratic reader (the actual movement not the term meaning government-man)