was told by the guy we're renting from (going to start calling him by his name, joe, cause i'll probably mention him a bunch also we're not renting from him despite it being his property, he's letting kammy's grandma collect the rent cause she has issues with control and also prob has some credit card debt to pay down lol) that he's never seen any grapes pop up from seed around here and that he's always had to buy them as vines, but when clearing out stuff for the front garden we found a grape growing that seemed pretty young and like it wasnt planted as a vine so i'm going to take the grape mash that has a ton of seeds in it and find other somewhat sheltered spots that receive some amount of water to see what comes up. genuinely might just use the sprinklers that run for half the year in the pasture as little nursery space for them though they might just be a little treat for the cows at that point lol