🗣 #MASTODON DEVS AND ADMINS NEED TO STOP FUCKING WITH WEB STANDARDS
#ActivityPub isn't permission to break web standards. you can't have a public social media site and refuse to be linked to.
you don't wanna be linked? TAKE THAT SHIT PRIVATE, PERIOD.
LINKS TO INSTANCES THAT REJECT LINKING ARE POLLUTING PUBLIC ACTIVITY PUB STREAMS
just like you can't be a little pregnant, you can't be a little public on the web. you either are making public posts or you aren't.
so stop it.
@blogdiva wdym by “reject linking?”
@dangerdyke if i link to an instance that decided to run a whitelist, the link goes to a 404.
this just happened right now with a mutual; but my frustration stems from working all day on debugging Mastodon's default embed code in Backdrop & Drupal; AGAIN, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FOLLOW OEMBED STANDARDS.
Activity Pub is not an invitation to break web standards. period.
post on closed private channels. don't put your private posts on my public stream
@blogdiva so you’re referring to instances that prevent users who are not logged in from vewing posts in the web frontend?
THAT'S THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING IF YOU ARE RUNNING A MASTODON INSTANCE.
DO NOT POST ANYTHING THAT IS BOOSTABLE IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO LINK TO IT OR CLICK ON IT. IF IT TAKES ME TO A 404 FUCK YOU
@blogdiva i disagree. as an admin of TLA we’ve been forced to lock down our frontend like that in response to people stalking a user’s profile. it is a critical safety feature.
and besides, there is no “web standard” stating that links in fedi posts have to resolve. the web interface of a fedi instance is not standardized anywhere I am aware of
the link is a web standard.
you do not want people linking to a post, turn your instance into a private channel.
there is no reason to post unlinkable web links. wall up your instance. don't boost to public streams.
because, again, THE LINK IS THE MOST BASIC PIECE OF WEB STANDARD TECHNOLOGY. you cannot render anything on the web without the standard of The Link.
i fucking created my first webpage in 1996. you dont get to tell me what is or is not a web standard
@blogdiva and the web standard allows servers to accept or reject requests as they see fit. i don’t think its fair to say you need to stop your instance from federating entirely if you need to mitigate stalking and harrassment
@blogdiva literally every social media service has links you can’t access unless you log in, and links that can only be accessed while following a certain user. this is simply how web applications work. activitypub is not a special case, and it’s no more in violation of web standards then any other authenticated webapp
NOPE. you post 404 links on public streams you are a problem if not a spammer. you aren't entitled to break the web. keep it in your walled garden. don't make your posts boostable. and am done with this. am not here to fucking defend the basic tech of URLs.
@blogdiva well fuck you too then
but i think that ship sailed the instant forums evolved to a point where it became normal to encounter a web page which primary function was to display communications that all happened to be from members of a particular group - it's impossible to expect that some of these groups wouldn't eventually use this thing to talk among themselves rather than only use it for public-facing statements and strictly relegate all their in-talk to their IRC channel or ICQ or in-person meetings or whatever
...it's kinda ironic that blogdiva will never be able to see this since i'm banned from her instance though lol 🙃
@lethe @dangerdyke @blogdiva @apophis she needs to catch up to forums with members only subforums lol
