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Okay then, let's break this shit down.

The principles are the real problem so let's start with them first:

1. We are all flawed, traumatized humans at the end of their rope. Many of our actions say more about the conditions we live under than who we are as people. <-- That's not true for most people. We all still have the moral responsibility to do what's right despite our circumstances. E.G. people who choose to side with fascists -- they use this principle to make you feel sorry for them, and you are committing a moral wrong by allowing them to succeed at it.

2. No one is disposable. No one is unsalvageable. <-- Not true. Fascists, pedophiles, rapists, child abusers, domestic abusers, among others are not only disposable and unsalvageable, you have a mora obligation to treat them as such and cast them out of the community to protect the rights of everyone else.

3. Life holds greater value than being right or comfortable. Hurt is preferable to death. <-- That is not true; many principles are much more important than life such as liberty and justice. Fighting fascism requires people to sacrifice their lives to save everyone else and telling people life is more important only encouraged cowardice, appeasement and enables the enemy. And they are very much the enemy here.

4. No one should be deprived of community. <-- See rebuttal for #2

5. Harm does not require further harm. Punishment does not equate protection or healing. <-- It absolutely does because harm is perversely the only real way to stop harm while protecting the integrity of the community. Reality requires harmful consequences for shitty behavior to participate in it. Protecting abusers from harm not only is a moral crime against humanity but enables them to continuing harming innocent people. That's nothing to say of treating all harm as the same which is in and of itself a violation of principle #1 as established

Will deconstruct the rules themselves in a minute

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