doe @exiliaex@masto.anarch.cc

@JesusKristensen oops that last paragraph is wonky; i meant to say:

his point is that you *aren't* being stolen from, in terms of wages or "value," that as long as we're willing to force people to become commodities through property rights and legal infrastructure, this will be the result... if we want to have a free society, in which we are no longer chained to processes controlling us, we have to change the way in which we produce, we can't just try to change the distribution of that production.

what's stolen from us is not our "value" but the endless possibilities of cooperation without it.

@JesusKristensen marx's point is actually more that you *aren't* being stolen from (at least not in the general formulations most "left-wing" economists use, like, "they're stealing the value of your labor!")

his point is explicitly that workers are dispossessed, oftentimes violently, which forces them to sell themselves and that they become commodities. but that once they are in the position of commodity, they are subject to the same bourgeois laws, and thus, all of our labor-power really is bought and sold "at its value."

his point is that you *aren't* being stolen from, in terms of wages or "value" but that you *are* being stolen from in terms of having the ability to live a life with others for the purpose of the free development stolen from you.

the cold, artificial bodies we've surrounded ourselves with provide no warmth. we've littered the world with suffocating garbage that choked some forms-of-life completely away. extinctions and genocides all for the great Ordering of the world.
all life, just sacrifices for the Worldeater.

and in place of the free play of forms-of-life the Worldeater only leaves behind rotting corpses, begging masses, frozen limbs of concrete and steel, and the cold, artificial bodies, mimicking the life we once knew as siblings.

@jannuary i will not ride the dark rail, i shall not be tempted

"you dont need to have read marx to know the capitalist is stealing from you!"

well actualllyyyyy....

one of the funniest things is when someone goes "anyone can look at the world and come to the same conclusions marx did, without ever reading marx"

because its true, but they also, almost every time without fail, begin to list things marx explicitly argued against

@adaoist hey, thanks for the response. I also just finished up your "What is the State" video, and i enjoyed it, though, i think we have a few disagreements. thanks for sharing it.

@adaoist i'll watch through both! thank you for the explanation and for taking the time to make and share these videos.

the only question i have, with regard to the explanation you wrote out to me is: How would you distinguish power "over" people versus power "subordinate" to people? Liberals and MLs and even a lot of anarchists tend to boil it down to questions of democracy. That, as long as people are consciously applying their will to the political system, as in the case of democracy, that it is "subordinate" to them. I'm curious how you think about it.

@adaoist do you have a particular formulation of the state you think functions best?

shoutout to those down in mexico city forcing the hydraulic infrastructure to a halt

fuck the pigs beating them for it

@Mondobizarrro yeah, exactly; see, the fediverse is just "any software that utilizes the activitypub protocol"

so, if, while i'm on an instance, (say, for example, social.xenofemme...) and i do a search for another website (say, for example, masto.anarch.cc) on my instance, the request it sends is asking whether that other site is also an activitypub protocol site, and if it is, it automatically "federates" with it, which is why me and you can interact right now.

but, admins of the instances hold the power to "defederate" meaning they can prevent their instance from interacting with another instance at all.

@Mondobizarrro no, you dont need an acct on every instance. any instance can interact with any other instance (so long as neither instance has "defederated" from one another, which is what happened with eightpoint, they defedded from xenofemme)

@b33rbashjawnson as far as i understand mastodon.social tends to not make these kinds of changes. but, every instance owner has the ability to edit the character count for posts on mastodon.